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Pupu · Jan 16, 2007, 02:25 AM // 02:25

i was about to say the same thing ^^, usa's favour dried up with the lame iway build

hallomik · Jan 16, 2007, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need

Ok firt i want to point out that im american and i play on american servers, and i am in no way tring to flame. But i realise, like most other pve'ers that we can rarely go ito the fow/uw because europe always haz favor. now that brings me to the queston how. is europe just better than us? do they use different builds/ strats? or is it just a matter the they are just better/ were not as good? can somebody give me insight into this?

At the risk of contributing to obvious flame bait, I'd like to take the OP seriously and answer the question.

The reason Europe always has favor is because they once had a slight edge, and much like the Winterday's festival when the presents are handed out, players switch to the area that suits them. Grenth didn't "rule" in the odd districts. Players who wanted to get a Grenth hat congregated there. Similarly, players who want the benefits of favor switch to the Euro servers and a slight advantage turns into a big one.

Also, to the OP. In America, it's spelled "realize" with a "z". Good job on remembering to leave the "u" out of "favor," mate. Cheers.

Alfrond · Jan 16, 2007, 03:51 AM // 03:51

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Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need

Ok firt i want to point out that im american and i play on american servers, and i am in no way tring to flame. But i realise, like most other pve'ers that we can rarely go ito the fow/uw because europe always haz favor. now that brings me to the queston how. is europe just better than us? do they use different builds/ strats? or is it just a matter the they are just better/ were not as good? can somebody give me insight into this?

Its hard to say because there are a lot of factors, but when it really comes down it, its because when we fight in the hall of heroes their teams often beat ours

I'm not trying to be snarky about this, but if we want favor more, we will just have to beat Europe more. I mean what can I say? Its like if you lose the superbowl. You can talk about all the different factors that went in to your loss, but in the end you just weren't able to beat the other team.

cellardweller · Jan 16, 2007, 05:48 AM // 05:48

When most winning HA teams are formed from internation districts, statistically, favour is decided entirely on population numbers present from each region in ID1.

Yichi · Jan 16, 2007, 05:49 AM // 05:49

Most of the american pvp players that used to hold halls a lot got their rank 9, joined gvg guilds, and stopped doing HA. and even more than that have just quit GW due to lack of unbroken builds/skills/repetitiveness for other games

Navaros · Jan 16, 2007, 06:01 AM // 06:01

My take on why Europe now usually has favor:

1. Most of the good American Tombs players were IWAY players who don't play IWAY any more since the 6v6 nerf.

2. Most of the smaller portion of remaining good American Tombs players who weren't IWAY players also stopped playing Tombs due to the 6vs6 nerf.

3. Since the dawn of time, most good players would always form up in International districts, and very very few good groups ever formed up in American districts even if they were on the American server.

4. Catch 22 - Europe usually has favor so there was/is a mass exodus of American server players over to the Europe server.

Mesmer in Need · Jan 16, 2007, 06:07 AM // 06:07

wow, thanks for all the responses. actually, from aguildie today he said that europe always has favor because "they have like 30 countries".so, i think that sums it up. also, wehn you say "tombs" like in the above post, do u mean the arenas leading twards the hoh? Because tombs makes me think of tomb of the primeval king.

Yichi · Jan 16, 2007, 06:12 AM // 06:12

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Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need

wow, thanks for all the responses. actually, from aguildie today he said that europe always has favor because "they have like 30 countries".so, i think that sums it up. also, wehn you say "tombs" like in the above post, do u mean the arenas leading twards the hoh? Because tombs makes me think of tomb of the primeval king.

The Tomb of the Primevil Kings used to be where you started your venture to Hall of Hero's in PVP. They changed it to a PVE area when the update with the battle isles came out right before Factions. All the old PVP players still call it tombs, because thats what we remember it as for so long. also those were the best days of HOH IMO.

Kali Magdalene · Jan 16, 2007, 07:45 AM // 07:45

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Originally Posted by samcobra

So basically, the solution is this:
1) stop bitching. If you really want to farm/explore/whatever so much, switch servers OR...

2) take initiative. Make a good pvp guild, get good pvpers, play HA all day, hold halls for america all day. Encourage others to do the same. STOP RUNNING SHIT BUILDS.

That's not a solution, that's the status quo.

A solution might be to look at the favor system and adjust it so you can get into FoW/UW at any time, perhaps at a higher cost than when your territory has favor.

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I'd say that people who actually want to explore in pve should have some respect towards those who actually compete against other players for whatever the case may be, whether its fame or chest drops, etc. If you really feel there's a problem, do your part in fixing it.

What, you mean the same players who run around these very forums scornfully declaring that PVE players have no skill? Respect them?

winkgood · Jan 16, 2007, 08:23 AM // 08:23

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Originally Posted by Divinus Stella

Americans dont really do as well in GvG either, QQ is the only decent american guild i can think of, the rest of the american gvg guilds are only on the ladder because they play during american times where the competition is much lower, 99% of games vs unranked and hero guilds.

I remember a claim from someone in iB before the GWFC saying how much more skilled European guilds are and that American guilds never win playoffs and only get to the playoffs because the ladder season ends at a convenient time for Americans. Funny how both the Euro guilds (EW and iB) got beat by American guilds in the first round of the championships, though.

I'd like to know how many of the players in those top ranked European guilds are actually not in Europe. I bet there are quite a few.

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Originally Posted by hallomik

Also, to the OP. In America, it's spelled "realize" with a "z". Good job on remembering to leave the "u" out of "favor," mate. Cheers.

Nice catch.

I'm kinda thinking the thread was flamebait as well.

Kool Pajamas · Jan 16, 2007, 08:29 AM // 08:29

I think its just because there are many more euros playing in HA. Americans seem to be more casual players and HA doesnt really fit that.

Divinus Stella · Jan 16, 2007, 01:44 PM // 13:44

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Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need

wow, thanks for all the responses. actually, from aguildie today he said that europe always has favor because "they have like 30 countries".so, i think that sums it up. also, wehn you say "tombs" like in the above post, do u mean the arenas leading twards the hoh? Because tombs makes me think of tomb of the primeval king.

Well i think the EU is made up of around 27 countries, but theres still more people playing on american servers, american servers have people from several countries also.

Titan Chrae · Jan 16, 2007, 01:57 PM // 13:57

American players in my alliance play on international servers (They say it is easier to find a good group). When they get in a team that wins it usually counts as favor for Europe. Traitors!

Europe covers many more time zones than the US so their are active PvP players on most times of the day. That might have something to do with it as well.

Whatever the reason. The Favor system is broke and has been addressed in several threads in this forum that usually turn into flame wars and get closed.

glountz · Jan 16, 2007, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by Legendary Ultimatum

Hi, Proof?

Press M, click Heroes Ascent ( if you unlocked it)

go to HA ID3

The fact that East/North european people tend to gather in Int District has nothing to do with the fact Europe has favor.
It has only to do with the fact that Nord countries and Eastern countries HAVE NOT THEIR OWN DISTRICTS. No Croatia District nor Swedish district exist, so they gather in Int District. French HA players gather in French HA district. Same for Italian, German, English ones.

That's what I thought: your logic is completely flawed.

To sustain your claim about "this country or this country has more skilled people" you must: note every holding team for Europe, then contact each guild to know from where their PvP players come from, and then you can begin to draw conclusion from some statistics.

For what I think, that's not that Europe is more skilled than America or whatever, but only Europe has more HA players. You see many teams in HA that are European. 3 Europe teams competing to hold halls is not so rare (even if it is uncommon).

nekopowa · Jan 16, 2007, 02:24 PM // 14:24

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Originally Posted by glountz

The fact that East/North european people tend to gather in Int District has nothing to do with the fact Europe has favor.
It has only to do with the fact that Nord countries and Eastern countries HAVE NOT THEIR OWN DISTRICTS. No Croatia District nor Swedish district exist, so they gather in Int District. French HA players gather in French HA district. Same for Italian, German, English ones.

The universal district for europeans is *English*, not international. People gather in the International District because there's more new players and less rank discrimination there.
And those who say that Europe has more players because they have "30 countries", have you ever had geography at school? No?

American players have a general bad attitude. One thing i dislike the most about them is when anything goes wrong they either quit, or yell and blame eachother. People switch from American -> Europe just because of that.

glountz · Jan 16, 2007, 02:34 PM // 14:34

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Originally Posted by nekopowa

The universal district for europeans is *English*, not international. People gather in the International District because there's more new players and less rank discrimination there.
And those who say that Europe has more players because they have "30 countries", have you ever had geography at school? No?

American players have a general bad attitude. One thing i dislike the most about them is when anything goes wrong they either quit, or yell and blame eachother. People switch from American -> Europe just because of that.

Yes, English district tend to attract people that have not a district for their country "by default". However, that's really hard to quantify whether people from other countries go in English dist or Int Dist. That's largely debatable.

On bad Attitudes from America, I don't know I dont play in America teams. However European teams have also ragequits, so I can't say American=BAd and such premade statements.

In addition, HA teams are gathered sometimes in HA, but you forget HA guilds who gather in their hall and not in districts, international or not.

What I mean is that making such statements based on population in HA districts to understand why Europe has favor is completely flawed, that's all.

TheRaven · Jan 16, 2007, 02:36 PM // 14:36

Well, here's one fix to the favor wars. Although it would be a very very unpopular decision for alot of players and I don't realistically expect A-net to implement it.

1. Do not allow players to change servers. When an account is set up it automatically connects to it's "home" server. The only exceptions should be if a player physically moves from one region of the world to another. For example, an American Soldier who is an active GW player is deployed to Germany for 2 years. The first time he logs into the game from Germany he should be given the option to remain on the American servers or switch to Europe.

2. Prevent mixed teams from battling in the Hall of Heroes. Teams in HoH must be made up of players from 1 district. The only exception to this should be to allow mixed teams if all players are in the same guild. In that case they play for whichever district the guild is aligned with. Similiar rules exist in real life. I recall about a decade ago a very popular figure skating dance team was barred from competing in the Olympics because the woman was an American and her partner was Russian. He had immigrated to the US but was not yet a citizen.

From reading the posts in this thread and elsewhere on the site it seems that most people feel Europe has favor the majority of the time because of 2 things.
1. Europe is better than the USA at HoH. - I don't know if this is true or not. I doubt it, but if that's the case they deserve to hold favor the majority of the time.

2. Most Americans that play HoH are doing so on European Servers. They've either joined teams with European leaders or jumped servers because of the favor issue. These rule changes would restore the equilibrium in this case.

Clone · Jan 16, 2007, 02:37 PM // 14:37

I just want to put in the obligatory "PvP restrictions on PvE areas are lame." I could care less who has favor. I just know that it sometimes prevents people from playing some of the best designed areas in the game.

Fluffs · Jan 16, 2007, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

There are more europeans in HA would be my best bet.

Nah European people are just a lot beter in guild wars compared to the Korean and American players...

just kidding.

I agree with your conclusion there probably are a lot more european people who play HA

Skuld · Jan 16, 2007, 03:59 PM // 15:59

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2. Prevent mixed teams from battling in the Hall of Heroes. Teams in HoH must be made up of players from 1 district. The only exception to this should be to allow mixed teams if all players are in the same guild. In that case they play for whichever district the guild is aligned with. Similiar rules exist in real life.

Except this isn't real life. I want to play HA with my american buddies :-/